Re: [grubstreet] When Categories Shift

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> Non-dereferenced footnote?  It's not the easiest thing to google for :)

oops ... i meant the Web Ontology Language:
http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-guide/
http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-owl-ref-20030221/

if you have heard of DAML the darpa agent markup language ... it is the
successor to that. early days yet tho.
    
> My sticking point is thinking of a nice user interface for marking a
> category as a subcategory of another.  I'm probably going to be
> working on the same principle as the rest of the wiki here - no
> voting, it's just JFDI and if someone disagrees with your
> categorisation they will change it, just as if they disagree with your
> streetmap link they will change it.

/me nods, having similar interface issues... but wanting to provide an
'emergent' consensus about what-fits-where that is stable - i worry about
tit-for-tat changing things and changing them back ;)

> Am I right in thinking that what you're asking is that wherever
> possible we use the 'rdf:ID's there as category names for grubstreet?
> Or something more complicated?

ah no; i'm just thinking that you might like to use OWL to either store,
or export, your category system; which might be helpful in development,
and would allow agents to make inferences about things in grubstreet /
find stuff easier.     

> > them wholesale... as i would want to say things like 'JapaneseFoodShop'
> > and 'JapaneseFoodRestaurant' rather than 'JapaneseFood', which in a
> surface, but then there's the contradictory method of associating
> restaurants with food by creating a 'Category Restaurants' node and
> putting it in Category Food.  I need to think about this some more; it
> only struck me when I was getting out of the bath this morning.

yeah... what occured to me in that situaion would be something like
CategoryFoodPurveyor --> Category Restaurant, Category FoodShop, Category
KebabVan ... which though interesting logically, might not have so much
appeal to a human. you could 'hide' the highest-level categories in the
web interface though, and just use them internally when someone asks
'where can i get food and booze' or 'where can i get food and sit down
indoors'. it'd be easy to *express* those kinds of properties and queries
in OWL; but how you'd express that in an interface like the nice grub
search and pub search, i'm not at all sure.         

> > i'd still like some way of being notified as a human when Categories
> > shift.
> I'm planning on having the categories handled by a specialised plugin,
> so I'll be able to build this kind of thing into it.

that sounds cool...
i set up my first practise CGI::Wiki today, all seemed v.slick once you
had pointed me at the setup scripts. i was just thinking of it as a simple
page-or-2 shared editing environment... but now  am realising quite how
much can be done with it... very cool

> Thanks for the ideas. 

ditto, squared :)

zx
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"Common sense won't tell you. We have to tell each other." -DNA



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• Re: [grubstreet] When Categories Shift Kate L Pugh 10:06 on 19 Mar 2003
  Non-dereferenced footnote? It's not the easiest thing to google for :)
  • jo walsh 20:56 on 19 Mar 2003
    oops ... i meant the Web Ontology Language:

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